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Jaya Jaya Sri Sudarsana !

Jaya Jaya Sri Sudarsana !

 

This is in continuation from previous page....

 

Now it is time for me to discuss things in a particular way that will enlighten Mr. D'Costa and prove who is the true God in the Universe and who really is the father of the souls. Here goes the discussions, all taken from the Bible and the Gospel which if 'sincerely' read and understood, should prove why jesus cannot be called as god and or gods son. According to Elias, no creation of Man can be worshiped; But he worships trinity! I break the myth and facts on which he builds his castle. God is eternal; no birth or death can affect him. But jesus born without a father and was in a mother's womb, breast-fed. lead his life like any other human. Because he did some miracles, he cannot be accepted as God's Son. There were many more persons who did more miracles and saved many persons on the earth during the same time of Jesus and who were once with him. It is quite pertinent to note, what the argument here in is = Who is true God=  Now Elias claims that Jesus the true God. I should bring the realities to make him feel what is true and what is false. You cannot call any other person on the Earth as Father. But the Christian preachers and priest insist they should be called and addressed as father! This is quite contrary to Jesus' teachings. Here I pin point the versus to support my theory. This one is even debated and accepted by many other Christians too! No way this article is written to hurt the sentiments of any person. But to enlighten the facts from the Bible, which too has its own contradictions than any other Scripts on Religion.

 

TRS Iyengar

 

Quotes from Mr. D' Costa:

 

 

 

In my search, I find the one true universal God in the Bible.

 

God of the universe cannot live in the idols made by human hands, because they no life.

Well, here are the proof that you should read the bible again and ponder. Yes, all these are from your own Gospel.

 

First I give you the Old Testament quotes - as it is in your books;  My comments are given in red along with the marking from the verses quote.

 

 

|| Inasmuch as there is none like You O Lord  ||- Jeremiah - 10:3 to 6

|| Among the Gods there is non like you, O Lord, nor are there any works like your works || - Psalm 86:8

|| You alone are God || -  Psalm 86:10

|| For who in heavens can be compared to the Lord? Who among the sons of the mighty can be likened 

    to the Lord? ||  -Psalm 89:6,7

|| Who is like the Lord our God - Who dwells on high || - Psalm 113:5

|| Lord God of Israel, there is no God in heaven above or on earth below like you || - 1 Kings 8:23

 

 

 

What does the above signify? If in the beginning the practice was to worship the Lord as only God or worship every figure that begotten without a father but a mother? The truth is, Cross, Jesus and Mary all are deities of man made and can be discerned from these very verses. Any Christian who firmly believe in the day of Judgment  with the Lord as supreme will never believe in these man made trinity. Don't you Christian worship the man made cross and concrete shapes as God? and the Trinity!

 

 

 

Now. let us see what your New Testament states:

 

|| ..Then Jesus said to him, "away with you, Satan! For it is written "you shall worship the lord your God and him only you shall serve"   || -  Matthew 4:10

 

 

 

It is very clear from the above verse, that who worship those other than the God are all satans!  It just came from the Prophet Jesus and Jesus not as God or son of the God.

 

 

 

|| No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other - ir else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon"  || - Matthew 6:24

 

 

 

When Jesus the prophet himself has admittedly said from the above verses, that no one can serve two masters , how come the Christians dare to serve two or three Gods!

 

 

 

Elias, you should look into the teachings of Jesus which could easily be understood even by a stupid man. Do they not really realize that they will not be able to enter into the heaven by worshipping Jesus. Those who elevate Jesus to the position of God by claiming that he has made the blind to see and the deaf to hear, have been warned by Jesus himself very well in advance that they are monsters and deceivers.

 

 

 

You should now realize that it is your parents and the priests who led you into the wrong path by fallacious preaching about jesus. Let them comprehend. Jesus had admonition they will keep away from such blind worshipping. Given below is the verses in the new testament which state that these priests are undoubtedly not trustworthy.

 

 

 

|| Woke to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! - For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves"  || - Matthew 23:15

 

 

 

Don't you, Elias, see this is appearing in your books as a warning about those who conduct meetings of good tidings? Read further..

 

 

 

|| But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow these who entering to go in. || - Matthew 23:13

 

 

 

Even after Jesus had told that there is no place in heaven for those who call him the Lord, these priests consider Jesus as god. This clearly reflect whether or not they are closing the doors of heaven!

 

 

 

|| But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments.

 

 

 

They have the best places at feasts, as best seats in the synagogues.

Greetings in the market places and to be called by men, "Rabbi, Rabbi".

But you don't be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, the Christ and you are all brethren.

Don't call any one on earth your Father; for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.

And don't be called teachers; for one is your teacher the Christ, ||

--- Matthew 23: 5 to 10

 

 

 

It is very clearly stated by Jesus and he prohibits anybody being called father; but your priests have created a situation wherein they are addressed as fathers. Do you still believe in these persons who insist calling them as Father, against the very teaching of Jesus?

 

 

 

Jesus has ordained not to wear long cassocks and aspire for special reverence, but the priests have blatantly violated this and the Christians are trusting these priests. What proof other than this do you need to know that the priests have shown them a path opposed to the very teachings of Jesus? Your scripts state that no one on the earth can be called as Father. But you call every other person in the church as your father! Yet, against the teaching of your beloved Jesus!

 

 

 

Just read further what more Jesus the prophet has said:  

 

 

 

|| But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of the heaven, but my Father only || - Matthew 24:36

 

 

Does this not a proof that Jesus as a human calling the Father in Heaven? Does this saying not induce you to worship the Lord the only God?

 

 

|| Then are of them, a lawyer asked him a question, testing him, saying "Teacher which is the great commandment in the law"? ||

||Jesus said to him, you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment" ||  -- Matthew 22:35 to 37

 

 

 

Think over this particular verses - Elias, Read with heart and mind at once. Does this great commandment, have any effect on the Christians today? Having abandoned this first and great commandment,  what is the basis you call yourself as Christian?

 

 

 

||And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice saying " Eli, Eli lama sabachathani?, - i.e. My God, My God. why have you forsaken me ? || - Matthew 27:46

 

 

 

Here again, Jesus calls some one as God and at the time of his death (?). If Jesus has called on God what does it mean? Jesus cannot save his own self by himself and to save is God's unique potency. This is crystal clear from these versus. Jesus was not a god nor son of the God. It is very clearly established in every chapter.  The analyzing of the teachings of Jesus is discussed here as per the Gospel of Matthew.

 

 

 

In all other Gospel too Jesus is said to have preached such doctrines only. Let us see few examples from other gospels too, so that you can get a good view of what the myth and fact is :

 

 

 

|| He who sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him  ||- John 8:2

||...that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father taught me, I speak these things ||- John 8:28

||And if anyone hears my words and does not believe, I don't judge him  ||-  John 12:47

 

 

 

These facts are well there in your gospel. Yes, in the new testament you can read above verses. It is now clear that it was Paul who invented the doctrine of Trinity which is totally alien to these facts. He himself unknowingly accepted this truth. See further..

 

 

 

|| He who is blessed and only potentate, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. ||

|| Who alone has immortality dwelling in unapproachable light, who no man has seen or can see to whom be honor and everlasting power, Amen  || -  1 Timothy 6:15, 16

 

 

 

No other proof is required than the above verses to establish jesus neither god nor son of God. Those who have real faith in the Bible can believe the doctrine of "Son of God" [ It is only possible when the bible is discarded.]

Are you prepared to brush aside your gospel & The Commandments of the Lord and teaching of Jesus to believe in the doctrine of Trinity, or to abandon the later  to abide by the words of God and the sayings of Jesus?

 

 

In all fairness you should admit, that Jesus never said or claimed he himself as God or son of God. But actually he claimed as an honest and God fearing man and was a prophet of God preaching to the people the message of God. These were simply and clearly stated in each verse of the Bible itself.

 

 

 

Okay, according to you God existed only after the birth of Christ?  Un like any other person Jesus was born without a father, therefore he was born to God; hence he is also God. This is the most found arguments of many Christians. No intellectual person would accept this theory. It is agreed that Jesus was born fatherless. If you emphasis "fatherless" and this word to elevate Jesus as God. why don't you give importance to the word "born" at the first place?

 

 

 

What does the word "born" means? It denotes that a man who was not existing till then has come into existence. Can your theory be true, then there was no God existed at all prior to birth of Christ! And for that matter, can  one who was not existing for a period become "God" ? If God was not in existence even for a short period, what would have happened to this Universe?

 

 

 

The exact phrase " born fatherless " itself denote that Jesus was not a god but a man. This evidently clear. In this particular phrase if the word "fatherless" is given due emphasis, the fact Jesus was not a God could easily be inferred by the Christians themselves. The word "fatherless" indicates the he was not born "motherless". Further the Bible clearly state that he was born to a mother.

 

 

What are actually the attributes of God? Can he have a mother only and not a father? Are you ready to proclaim that the Lord, the only God has a mother? One cannot become a god just because he is fatherless.  Read....

 

 

 

|| The son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam the son of God || Luke 3:38

 

 

 

If Jesus is god by virtue of having been born fatherless what about Adam who was born not only without a father and a mother but also without ever having been in anyone's womb? Does he not fit to the a God? Why don't you believe Adam to be a God or son of the God?

 

 

 

Logically Adam has every right to become a God rather than Jesus. Even the Christians have not taken him as a God. Does this not appear to be a very conspicuous contradiction?

 

 

 

|| And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam and he slept; and he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh in the place. Then the rib while the Lord God had taken from man he made into a woman, and he brought her to the man || - Genesis 2: 21,22

 

|| Or how can one be pure who is born of a woman ? || - Job 25:4

 

 

 

What a colorful contradictions! This verse says that Jesus who is born of a woman is not pure! But Adam and Eve are not having such a defect or disqualifications. They are the only ones who are free from this impurity which is common to all other human beings. Hence they are the two who deserve more to be Gods than your impure Jesus.

 

 

Hello man, many other Christians I know are ignorant of some of the names in the bible; whatsoever may be the importance of the character.  According to Bible, Melchizedek is more worthy one to become God and he deserves this elated status. Alas, his name not even known to many Christians nor they remember ever read it in the Bible!!

 

 

 

|| for this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God who met Abraham returning from the Slaughter of the kings and blessed him || - Hebrews 7:1

 

 

 

Who is this Melchizedek who is so exalted as to bless Abraham? What is his genealogy? Read in the Bible-

 

 

 

|| Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life but made like the son of God remains a priest continually.

Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils|| - Hebrews 7 : 3,4

 

 

This Melchizedek was fatherless, motherless and without a genealogy; and he had neither a beginning nor an end; further he was great as the Bible proclaims. He is not believed as a God by you;  You  have taken  Jesus as god just because he was fatherless.  Why this so, Elias? Compare the qualities, merits and his status in the Bible - Melchizedek was most fitting person to be called as God. But you don't even recognize him and call lesser known Jesus as God and son of God!

 

 

 

God cannot have a son; nobody can possess the unique qualities of God; God is God and Man is man. This is the exact reality! This is what forbids you to believe and refuse to accept Adam, Eve and Melchizedek as Gods.

 

 

 

If you have implicit faith in the Bible you should and in accordance with its teaching, believe these three persons as Gods greater in status than Jesus or alternately they should believe that there cannot be any God other than the Lord - The God. 

 

 

 

If you discriminate between these three then it is a conclusive evidence that you have no faith in the Bible.

I shall break the myth - now you need to ponder about the versus cited above and read the meaning. Do not mix up with Christian priests and preachers who misguide you to the wrong path. They insist they should be called as Father - wherein Jesus prohibits calling anyone as father - other than  the Lord.

 

 

 

Take a deep breath; Relax and take some time to think about the above. I have more in store for you to talk about the miracles and magic of Jesus. What he cannot do on his own, but with the blessings of the Lord and only with His command.

 

 

 

Further, as admitted by the Christians themselves, Christianity came into existence since 2005 years but wherein, for the Veda and the Hinduism known as Sanathana Swadharmam existed even before this! No time frame can be fixed for this as there is no end or beginning for the Holy Veda.

 

 

 

Read " Lord",  the ONE and ONLY Supreme Soul which govern the Universe, the Loka pitha - The father of the Universe, as we call. Here goes the versus of a disciple of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabu, a Srivaishnava Sect Saint, who in praise of Lord and in praise of his Guru,  wrote the 72 paragraph versus -  one such versus quoted below:

 

 

This stotram has been composed in year 500 of the era Gauravda by a disciple tridandi of Sri Siddhanta called Sarasvati Sridhara  and is part of 72 paragraph versus in praise of Lord Sri Krishna. 

 

Truly yours,

TRS Iyengar    Jan. 17, 2005

Shall post further comments and reply for above after getting it from the respective authors. - TRS Iyengar   Jan.17, 2005

 

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The following interesting material was received by me from one "Sri Nitai Prabhu" on the 7th of April 2005. Due to some technical problem I faced with my Outlook Express, I had to keep this in abeyance and now traced it to publish here. As I had to do the server shifting also by then, this mail went straight to the pending message folder! With due pranamas to S.Sri Nitai, I give it for the readers for them to enjoy his meaningful and worthy writing while searching for "True" God.

 

TRS Iyengar

July 23, 2005

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Dandavat Pranam

Yes, If you already did put the letter of that Christian or whoever, antagonistic to Vishnu-bhakti, I felt it should be answered. So, I agree that you put my answer. Thanks.

Ram, Ram.

Please, pray for me that I attain love for Krishna.

 

Hare Krishna,

I read your letter and decided to give some short answers for clarification. Your writings begin with *** and my answers with A:

 

Contradiction 1:

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*** You mention in your opening letter "Srimann Naaraayana, who is the creator of this Universe is known as Sri Vishnu or Sri Mahavishnu."

In another words Lord Mahavishnu is the creator of this Universe. But,

Later in the closing you mention, "Lord Mahavishnu created the Brahmma through His Naval and appointed Brahmma to create the Universe. Brahmma created the Shiva and made Him as a destroyer. Then the Rishis, Munis (saints and sages) with the paraphernalia of the Brahmma Logam, (Eternal), Bhoologam (Earth) etc were created by Brahmma."

Here I find Brahmma is the creator of this Universe, because he is appointed to create Universe, Shiva, Rishis, Munis, Brahmma Logam, and Earth etc.

 

A: From Mahavishnu all the material elements come and the dormant souls who according to their karma have to get again material bodies in the new creation. The unmanifested material elements in Mahavishnu are called pradhan what develops to Mahat tattva in which the three modes of material nature begin to work. Thus all the material elements from subtle become manifested into gross and entering into the many material universes are ready to be used by the engeneer or secondary creator - Brahma. So, there is no contradiction. There is a primary - Mahavishnu and many secondary creators - one in each universe, manifested from the body of Mahavishnu. The primary creator is not very much in touch with the material energy, but rather that's Lord Brahma.

Contradiction 2:
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*** In the Svetavatar Upanishad chapter 3 we find Rudra is Ishwara, Ishwara is the creator (Svetavatara 3: 4 " He, the creator and supporter of the gods, Rudra, the great seer, the lord of all, he who formerly gave birth to Hiranyagarbha, may he endow us with good thoughts")

(Svetavatara 3:7 "Those who know beyond this the High Brahman, the vast, hidden in the bodies of all creatures, and alone enveloping everything, as the Lord, they become immortal")

 

A: Here I must immediately comment. This passage if not properly understood sounds like mayavad philosophy. The all pervading Brahman feature of God, is only one aspect of the Absolute Truth.

 

Lets consider the following quote:

 

vadanti tat tattva vidas
tattvam yaj gyanam advayam
brahmeti paramatmeti
bhagavan iti sabdyate
"The Absolute Truth is realized in three phases of understanding by the knower of the Absolute Truth, and all of them are identical. Such phases of the Absolute Truth are expressed as Brahman, Paramatma, and Bhagavan." (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.11)

 

Katha Up. 1.3.10 further explaines: Higher than senses are tha sense objects; higher is the mind; higher is the buddhi; higher is the soul and still higher the avyakta.
Then it says: avyakta purusah para purusa na param kincit sa kastha para gatah. The Purusa, the Personality of Godhead, is superior to the Avyakta or Brahman. He is the ultimate Entity beyond Avyakta, the supreme goal.
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*** In the Svetavatar Upanishad chapter 4 it tells us the description of Ishwara as Supreme Brahman and Creator.
(Svetavatar Upanishad 4: 12 "He, the creator and supporter of the gods, Rudra, the great seer, the lord of all, who saw Hiranyagarbha being born, may he endow us with good thoughts.")

 

(Svetavatar Upanishad 4:13. "He who is the sovereign of the gods, he in whom all the worlds rest, he who rules over all two footed and four-footed beings, to that god let us sacrifice an oblation.")

 

A: I looked up these verses in the Svetasvatara Upanisad and I came to conclusion that you are expert in quoting out of context. In other words if one doesn't consider the pervious verses he, like you, might come to wrong conclusion and create confusion. So, anyway let's see what this whole section is all about. The Svetasvatara Upanisad 4.11 says:

"The one who rules over every single source, in whom this whole world comes together and dissolves, the Lord (ishana), the blessing giver, the God adorable, by revering Him one goes forever to His peace."

 

Then the next 4.12 verse explaines that, that God is the source, origin and the ruler of other Gods like Rudra. He also sow the birth of Hiranyagarbha.

So, those who know little bit about the creation of the universe how it is described in the Vedas, to them it is clear that these verses are describing the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Garbhodakashayi Vishnu, the first expansion of the above mentioned Mahavishnu. From Him, His navel a lotus flower springs out and on the top of it the first living entity is born, Lord Brahma who is also called Hiranyagharba. So, it is Garbhodakashayi Vishu who is the Lord and master of Rudra and Brahma. Form Him all the elements for creation come and into Him they go back - are dissolved as mentioned above. Therefore, because He is the chief God of all Gods He have to be respected and worshiped accordingly.  


Contradiction 3:
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*** In the Rig Veda, a Rishi says, (The wise call Him by different names, they call Him Agni, Yama or Matarswa) According to this mantra, God bears different names, but the confusion emerges when the very gods- Agni, Yama and Matarswa are projected as independent gods. When the Rig Veda has given independent identity to the above -mentioned gods, what is the significance of this mantra?

 

A1: All of them have separate duties like the ministers in the government so you can say they are seemingly all independent but in actuality they are all dependent on the on Supreme God, Vishnu who is the highest like the president in the government. The Rg Veda says: 'Of all the Gods Vishnu is the highest and Agni the lowest".

 

A2: Moreover, in this connection the Chandogya Upanisad (5.1.15) explains: "The different senses, such as the voice, sense of sight, sense of hearing, and the mind, are all known as the life- force, but the actual life-force is different from all these senses, which are dependent upon it. They are named after the life-force, although it is actually different from them."

NOTE BY BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI: "The various senses are dependent upon the life-force, and therefore, they are collectively known as the life-force, although the actual life-force is different from them. In this way the senses are designated as the life-force because they are manifested from the life-force, although they are actually different from it. In the same way, all the demigods have emanated from one Supreme Personality of Godhead. They are designated as Gods having been empowered by the original Supreme for certain functions. Their designation as Gods indicates their source of origin, although they are actually different from the Supreme personality of Godhead Sri Vishnu.

Ones of the demigods with the original Supreme is in their ones of interest. The demigods do what Vishnu wants them to do. It's interesting that because of their great power they are sometimes called Bhagavan. This is usually the title only of the original Supreme Lord Vishnu or Krishna who is full of all opulences. Still, sometime powerful persons like demigods and even great devotees, are called Bhagavan. But despite of that there are clear statements also indicating the difference between them and the original supreme. Without knowing these one can become confused.

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***Moreover, nowhere in the Vedas, Agni is called by the name of Yama or vice--versa. Thus, this mantra serves no useful end; it only creates confusion. This is not the only mantra, which creates contradiction.   

The Rig Veda (2/1/3-7) calls Agni by the names of Indra, Vishnu, Brahma, Varun, Mitra, Aryaman, Tvastar, Rudra, Pusan , Savitar and Bhag. Thus, this verse also adds to the confusion. If Agni is also Brahma, Vishnu and Indra, why are they accorded with separate godly identity and status? This mantra also suggests that Agni commands more influence as compared to Brahma, Vishnu and Indra. Therefore Agni is a true Universal God.

 

A: It looks you make here the problem. Calling Agni with the names of other demigods doesn't mean that he also performs the function of others, or that he is the same person as the other gods. You have to read more about all of them, what they do where they live etc. to come to some conclusion. Otherwise to just pick up one or few statements and then come to some conclusions can make you really confused.

Contradiction 4:
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*** Mahabharata (Adiparva, 66/36) says that Aditi gave birth to twelve sons, and Vishnu was the youngest of them. Indra was also one of them. Thus, Vishnu was the younger brother of Indra.

 

A1: Time to time the Supreme Lord Vishnu descends to this material world. But His appearance is not like our births, because of Karma and forced by the Modes of material nature - the gunas. His appearance is transcendental. The reason He comes from His eternal abode Vaikuntha to this material world is for the sake of having pastime; to help His devotees and to establish the lost religious principles when necessary. This is how the Bhagavad-gita explains this to us, if you ever read it.  

 

A2: What is bewildering to you is that He is mentioned to be the younger brother of Indra and the son of Aditi. Well, this is His will. He likes to become someone's son 1) just to fulfill the desire of His special devotee to have Him for son; and 2) because he is RASARAJ the enjoyer of all different types of relationships i.e. the friendly and parental relationships. But what ever position He takes he is always worshipped as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
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*** According to Shiva Purana (21, 30-59), Shiva with his wife Parvati wished to produce a child by performing intercourse with Parvati. Resultantly, Vishnu was born. When the light is shed on his being mortal, How is Vishnu a Universal God ?

 

A: As I mentioned He is never to be compared to any mortal being. His appearance and disappearance is like that of the sun, which appears and disappears only from our vision.  

*** The Shatpath Brahmin (14/1/17) says that Vishnu was killed with an arrow.


Maitrayani Samhita (4/5/9) and the Panchavish Brahmin also accept the fact relating to Vishnu's death.
How can we worship a Dead God?


A: This is only the way He wanted to pass away from this material world. There are many other amazing ways He left this material world, in His other incarnations. It is not surprising that His activities are bewildering the conditioned souls. Even the great sages are bewildered by the activities of the Supreme Lord. This particular Incarnation you mentioning here is Krishna very nicely described in the tenth canto of Srimad Bhagavatam. You can read it on http://vedabase.net/ All his amazing activities during His life are all proofs that He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. All the self-realized great souls came to same realization, by studying the relevant scriptures on bhakti and performing bhakti-yoga, the only way to ultimate God-realization.    


*** The question thus arises, how can a person who is bound by the chains of birth and death create the universe as popularly held in Hinduism? On what ground do the Puranas' claim to prove that all the incarnations, described in Hindu scriptures, belong to Vishnu?


A: When you say something, you must have an authority. Authority can be only two things in this material world: ones speculative mind or the revealed scriptures given by God. Vyasadeva the incarnation of Vishnu wrote down all the four Vedas, Puranas, Itihasas, Mahabharata, Upanishads etc. God knows Himself the best and He only has full knowledge of everything. As He is realized, and was always realized by all who practiced bhakti-yoga, you should maybe think to make an experiment. Instead of only having the theoretical knowledge of the Vedas - Gyana - about, which one can speculate eternally the Vedas recommend the way to get the - Vigyan - realized knowledge which is the applied knowledge of the Vedic process of selfrealization for the ultimate realization of God. Once attaining Vigyan one becomes fully convinced in the Absolute Truth given in the Vedic literatures.   


Contradiction 5:
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*** In the Taitirya Samit -( 'Prajapati' is described as the creator of gods and demons, while the Rig Veda (10/72/2) describes Brahmanaspati as the creator of gods. Again the Taitirya Samit) (1/6/9/1; 2/l/21) projects 'Prajapati' as the creator of Yagya and human beings while the Rigveda (1/96/2) says that Agni created human beings. That is why Agni is called the father of human beings.

 

A: The Vedas describe not linear history but cyclical. Thus, different personalities in different creations have the same role of creating human beings (not the soul), demigods, animals etc.

*** But Agni has himself been depicted in Rig Veda as taking birth as living creatures. It is also mentioned in the Taitirya Samit(1/5/9/7) that 'Prajapati' created animals; and having the desire to create people he (3/1/1/1) observed penance.

Now there is again a question to be answered by the Taitirya Samit, (it is known that it will not); if 'Prajapati' was Swambhu and the creator, why did he observe penance? If he did, he did to whom? This obviously suggests that there was someone who was superior to 'Prajapati', or like others, 'Prajapati' too was a creation of a religious fallacy and described as a god.


A: Yes, in the Srimad Bhagavatam it is said krishnas tu bhagavan svayam what is not said for any other incarnation. In other words, Krishna is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead on who Prajapati was meditating as His Superior to get power to creat.


*** The Vedic scripture presented have contradictory views; it serves only to misguide the people about the creator of the universe.

A: This is not truth. In your case, you can go on to find contradictory things for eternity if you like. However, all the contradictory things are actually resolved by a bona-fide teacher of the Vedas. There is no place in the Vedas where it is said that one should not study under guidance. Moreover, this is the age of confusion and people like to make up their philosophy as they like. If this is what you want it's your choice but not of those who follow the bona-fide Vedic process of self-realization.

 


Contradiction 6:
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*** In the Bhagavad-Gita 10: 13-15 " Arjuna said: "O Krishna, I believe all that you have told me to be true. O Lord, neither the celestial controllers nor the demons comprehend your glory. (10.14) O Creator and Lord of all beings, God of all celestial rulers, the Supreme person, and Lord of the universe, no one understands you. You alone know yourself." (10.15)

Based on Bhagavad-Gita, Swami Bhaktivedanta and The Gaudiya Vaishnav school, claim Lord Krishna is Himself the Supreme God, and not merely an incarnation of another deity (Refer https://www.asitis.com/foreword.shtml)

 

A: There other Scriptures that explain Krishna to be the Highest Divinity like for example the Srimad Bhagavatam accepted by all 4 main Vaisnava sampradayas as the most important scripture. http://vedabase.net/ here is once more the same link. There is a lot of explanation in many books clarifying why Krishna is the head of all incarnations. If you have any affinity to study rather than speculate, have a nice reading.

Contradiction 7:
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Sai Baba Claims He is the True, walking, talking, living God, who is currently living on the earth, and performing miracles.

A: Why do you speak only about Sai Baba as God? There are many others almost in every corner in India. Sme of them have hard time to be accepted as God. Anyway, to accept somebody as an incarnation of God is not so cheap. The knoweers of the Vedas explain that: 1) All the incarnations which come are mentioned in the scriptures. 2) They perform amazing, wonderful activities. 3) They attract the mind even of those who are confused about the Absolute truth. 4) They are at once accepted by all the great sages as the Supreme Lord because they recognize all the symptoms of the Supreme Lord.  

 

Therefore, to not be confused by so many "gods" you should know which are the symptoms of the real God, His qualities, the time of His coming according to the Vedas, the place of appearance according to the Vedas etc.

 

There is much more then this but lets finish here. In the end, I would like to encourage you to study more and get a good guidance where you can clarify all your doubts. All living entities have a dormant ability to understand the original Supreme Personality of Godhead and to develop love for him, just like the small child who cannot walk has an ability in himself to walk and by practice, at one point, will begin to joyfully run here and there.

 

Nitai

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This discussion is continued in the next page, now this time it is from another person named one 

Mr. Mark

 

TRS Iyengar

Jan. 30, 2006

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