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Prabthi Siddhi (Prapti Siddhi)
The following are the interesting Email exchange between me and one Dr. Narayanan. In his quest, searching for the true divine subject which has eluded him finding an answer. In these Emails, he addressed a portion to our regular contributor and Sri Krishna bhakta, Sri Nitai Das Prabhu, who in turn sent out his replies on the subject. Some one from the Bhakti Vedanta sect, with a name similar to our valued contributor (sure, it is not Sri Nitai Das Prabhu - but a different person altogether with the same name) who promised him to show the right way, has failed to give him any concrete reply. However, he landed in my site while searching for "Prabti Siddhi" and then continued to exchange mail discussions with me and also with Sri Nitai Das Prabhu of Amsterdam. Without editing the contents, I reproduce the same and request the readers, to join in this discussion, and throw some light, if you have any idea or knowledge about the same. It will be published along-side this article, with due credit to the contributor. This would also help other persons searching with similar quest. Thanks for your visit and support.
Dr. Narayanan's first Email to me:
From one of the search engines containingg your web site address, i found about Prapti siddhi. I would very much appreciate if you can let me know how to achieve it, whom to approach, any other details, if any. For your info I am also a Brahmin.
expecting your return reply.
My Reply as below:
I am really not in a position to answer your specific query. I do not have any immediate contact person to reflect.
However, you may get in touch with Sri Nitai Das Prabhu at Amsterdam, who might be giving you some guidance on the subject.
TRS Iyengar April 07, 2006
After he wrote Sri Nitai Das Prabhu, he got the following mail as reply - both his message & reply:
As I mentioned in my last mail, I am just reproducing below the response received from Sri Nitai Das Prabhu and my reply
I just could not understand what is his intention.
Krishna, dear Narayanan
My reply Quote
Hare Krishna, Pranaam Sri Nitai,
I know this and understand this.
An atom Bomb comes in the hands of a terrorist will be used for destructive purposes, where as, if it comes in the hands of a scientist, may be utilized for welfare of people such as for electricity production and others.
Coming to Kaliyuga also when it is in the hands of Sri Sathya Sai Baba is being utilized for good purposes, but if it was in the hands of a "Mantravaadi, a person who practice mantra for "Aabhichaaraas" will be misutilized, no doubt.
Hope this is sufficient for your concern
My desire and enthusiasm started with the following article by Jahnava Nitai Das
Nitai Das | Published 09/28/2005
What appears as a mystical feat to most is actually manipulation of the subtle laws that govern physical nature. There are eight major siddhis and ten secondary siddhis, all of which are based on manipulation of the subtle laws of nature.
To revive this latent siddhi you will need to take up mantra upasana very seriously. At present we are shifting our library from one location to another, so all of our manuscripts are in trunks. After one or two weeks, when the shifting is over, I will be able to provide you with the necessary mantra and yantra for prapti siddhi.
You must rekindle your spiritual pursuits. In your previous life you had undertaken much sadhana. Now continue from where you left off and perfect your life. These siddhis are not important at all. They will arise in anyone who takes seriously to spiritual practices. For the weak minded they are an obstacle on the path of self-realization. Their use is only to reaffirm one's faith that one is progressing on the path.
This made me to request you. Without any precondition if it can be given to the above person, I may also get it. THAT WAS MY THINKING. As far as I am concerned, being a Brahmin practicing poojas and also conducting personality development courses, practicing and teaching REIKI as a Reiki Master teacher, will have automatically developed some power which no we do not publicise like the question above. Therefor please understand that my purpose is not to stop at siddhi, but will be proceeding to the ultimate purpose of life. Siddhi is nothing but the gifts being received on the way to ultimate distination. A Brahman will not stop at that gift shop, but after buying it will proceed. please understand.
I wish to continue communicating with you, please let me know whether will you reply to my mails.
With Love and Regards,
Here, I must mention that a strange but inadvertent mistake took place... Dr. Narayanan has mistook that Sri Jhanavi Nitai Das (of Bhakti Vedanta Ashram's website) and Sri Nitai Das Prabhu (of Amsterdam - whose contributions and articles are appearing in other pages of this website) are of the same person! That's why, the communication eluded identity.. right from the beginning! Because Sri Jhanavi Nitai Das has, once earlier, promised him to give the right direction on Prabti Siddhi, and failed to respond further; Dr. Narayanan thought it was right time to approach again with more questions... but the Lord's command was different and things turned out for more interesting. Thus, you're reading this page! The following is my message sent to Dr. Narayanan:
Om NamO Naarayanaaya Nama:
Esteemed Sri Narayanan,
I find it very interesting to read the contents of your mail and Sri Nitai Das Prabhuji's response. I do realize, if a person is sincere, honest and not distracted by the way-ward gifts that one might get while pursuing his/her higher goal of attaining the ultimate Supreme Soul's union, surely it will not be a matter of concern for him/her.
But to the present Universal conditions and circumstances, the Bhakti & Karma margam are the one chosen easiest achievable. The Njana margam is for the gifted persons who achieved total perfections in their life, who were just like a drop of water over the Lotus Leaf. (Though they are here materially, their thought, heart, mind and acts are that of unattached).
However, the mute point here is, that to attain the said Siddhi, it takes hundreds of years, for which, the Kali Yuga population is not destined! More so, there is NONE to teach the mode and way to attain as listed in the Vedam. In the Thretha and Dwabara Yuga, it is said people lived for more than 600 years - i.e. they lived enough to learn the Vedic Hyme & Rhymes, which alone took around 480 years. Thence, rest of their life, they took the path of salvation through various modes, one being the Yoga Margam. According to the Graha Padathi Beda Nirnaya, an astrological note, the maximum life length during the Kali yuga is only 120 years - viz. one fifth of the earlier Yugadis.
Why, to say, even to attain the Kundalini Yoga, it needs a continuous practice for at least 60 full years for a lay man and thirty full years for a person with highest ambitions! But Sri Swami Vivekananda's experience on Raja yoga is a kind totally different.
Now to come to the subject, Prabthi Siddhi, I await more discussions from both of you, via your Email exchanges.
On a later stage, if your good self permit me, I would like to transform these Email exchanges in a nicely presentable article, to publish it in my website. Of course, if desired, with or without mentioning the individual names. This would help the net surfing community to understand what are the tenets that makes our living and then to transform to the highest aim of attaining mental happiness. I hope to hear from Sri Nitai Das Prabhu also on this count.
With warm regards,
TRS Iyengar April 09, 2006
In response to my above message, as well as that of Sri Nitai Das Prabhuji's, I got following message:
Poojya Iyengarji, I am replying to your mail as follows:
"The Njana margam is for the gifted persons who achieved total perfections in their life, who were just like a drop of water over the Lotus Leaf. (Though they are here materially, their thought, heart, mind and acts are that of unattached)".
If the basic trait of a person is predominant towards Jnana acquisition, that would be easy for him and vice-versa. Everest peak is scaled only one in may be 100, and it never discourage the eager mountaineer. By following the path of "Robinson Cruzo" he will go on climbing and such person will scale it one day, for sure. It means an interested person will not be discouraged by initial resistances and difficulties and one day he will become "just like a drop of water over the Lotus Leaf" and will become one of " the gifted persons".
Sri Sathya Sai Baba, Bhagwati siddhar of Tambaram, Easa Swami of Trivandrum did not " takes hundreds of years" to acquire it. If you also are very serious and sincere about acquiring it, you can also surely become that. The pity is many of our people stop at this kind of comment and such people can not achieve much.
Another fact is that our spiritual people discourage learning some knowledge/technique and thus those are dying or died. REIKI (I am a Reiki Master/Teacher & Karuna Reiki Master) is one of such technique which almost died in India and Dr. Mikao Usui, a Japanese, had to come all the way from there in search and finally he got it from Tibet. We only claim we have such and such people as our ancestors, can not acquire many of the feats performed by them because of non-transfer to next generation. All the knowledge and their practice are good, but you have to have a selection system about their "Arhata". Atom Bomb is used by the scientist to produce electricity, but a terrorist use for explosion. In Whose hands it goes is important and not that it should not be used just because it is dangerous
"attain the Kundalini Yoga" I had undergone training long back. Sir, if people in olden days took 500 years which can be achieved in may be 50 days in Kali Yuga, because of the simple reason people in KY can not concentrate a minute even. Therefore chance is still there if you are sincere and serious to do penance.
Another point is: Prabhuji says "Actually, many mantras in Kali yuga don't work anymore. The only mantra recommended to chant is the Hare Krishna mantra" I do not think it is a meaningful statement, because we chant many suktaas and mantras in our poojas and havans. Then one will be confused which mantra is workable and which not. Apart from my many activities we are going for poojas and havans for others regularly, for your information.
My reply to Nitai Prabhuji is being prepared. I will surely send copy to you.
Regarding publishing in the forum, I do not have any objection, if you find it worthwhile and if you can manage to make to publishable..
For your information I sent many mails directly and through forums addressed to Sri Nitai Prabhu regarding this topic. I never got a reply.
"I hope to hear from Sri Nitai Das Prabhu also on this count".
Hope to hear from you a s a p,
With Love and Pranam
To Dr. Narayanan's above mail, I sent out my reply as follows:
now for the Njana margam....the olden day Rishis & Munis could
concentrate on Tapas and Penance from some secluded place, without the
modern day interruptions. Their food habbits and needs were in accordance
with the religious training and they were mainly concerned only with
achieving their goal. And the Air was so pure, that they can visualize
many things in their mind without any disturbance. But todays air is
polluted with many things....Radioactive waves, satelite waves, Radio
ether waves, and so on. Yes, these are some of the causes for me to state,
that todays atmosphere, certainly it would become more difficult for such
a Tapas or Yogas in its original form. The made made waves are certainly
would cause some sort of disturbance, when one's brain wave length exceeds
than the normal course. I know late lamented Paramacharya of Sri Kanchi
mutt (Jagatguru) had the qualities to be called as a Sage and saint! I had
the gift to meet him at several occassions and in one such occassion, he
proved his Njana Drushti...that too in the presence of my Dad & Mom.
(Normally, Srivaishnavites in those days, never enter a Shiva temple or
Sankara Mutt, but it was my father's wisdom, that made us to frequent the
Mutt - despite being followers of Sri Ahobila Mutt sishyaas).
It is still possible to attain the highest status, just by pure meditation and concentration but to gain this status-hood, who is there to guide and teach the willing souls? I do feel at times, these are the lost treasures, the act is totally a forgotten one by the modern generation. I am happy, there still persons interested in the Supreme Search. (I got about three inquiries on this subject Prabti Siddhi - including yours!. But rest other two stopped from my first reply....)
Though the Veda, Soothram, Upanishat, Agama, Nigama sasthras etl. are there to give its values, the coded versues are still beyond a lay man's reach.
As far Sri Nitai Das Prubhu's statement & comments on Mantras, it is totally different, let us not comment on his remarks. He is a very senior person, having wider knowledge over many subjects, an ardent Daiva Bhakta. It is because of his extreme bhakti on Sri Krishna (on the ISKON path only he believes preaches & righteously practices) that makes him to state that there no Mantra above to "Hare Krishna".
In fact the Vedic recitation on different Mantras and Suktas can certainly bring about a volume of change, not only in one's body and and mind but also the entire atmosphere! There is no equations to this stance. Why, even Lord Krishna Himself states, that He is bound by the Vedas and its principles. It is a fact - the Bhagwaan Sarva Vyaapi so true and at the same time sounds more even in Bhagawan Antharyaami. If anyone argues on the line, that if one is true then other should be false, then it is left to the soul searching for the one who argues contrary.
Now, to conclude on the subject Prabti Siddhi, neither I am a master of the subject, nor I possess any Vedic knowledge to explain the same to others. I am an ordinary person, having no knowledge on these great exposable subjects. Yet, I too, in quest of knowledge, at times put such queries to many; may be, at times - for some it is not explainable in theory, to some it is ignorance; to many it is irrelevant. For a very few rare persons it is a destination.
Thanking you for your permission to publish the discussion; should I add the source - i.e. your Email address as it would authenticate the communications? (shall put No spam mailing script to avoid automated harvest of Email address).
With due pranams,
TRS Iyengar April 11, 2006.
And the following is the message that was received by Dr. Narayanan, from Sri. Nitai Das Prabhu of Amsterdam:
Narayanan's email addressed to me as below:
Poojya Iyengarji, Pranam
"But, for the reasons to attract visitors and to get a sizeable number of visitors, I did give a different heading instead of "progeny" or child bearing etc" My view is when you are in the business, you have to act as businessman and not a moralist. Bhava is important especially when you are an actor in this prapancha. That is why Brahmans are the custodian of vedas, because they their business as vedas and related subject, and they always be in touch with GOD energy. However, in Brahmins also there are 4 varnas, Kshtriyas, Vysyaas and Sudras. This is specifically mentioned in Geetha "Chaaturvarnyam....Vibhagasaha" There are people everywhere becomes irritated when they hear the word "sex". I observed many such people in their private life do just against.
"brain wave length exceeds than the normal course" There is special mind training to lead people to brain wave frequency below wake level. As you know 7-14c/s is the brain wave frequency when normally you will be in sleep. or called "Swapnavasta". I am training people to stay in that frequency so that you can achieve what you want. This comes in mind training exercises. So it is not big issue
"it was my father's wisdom, that made us to frequent the Mutt" Iyengarji all these divisions are made. You know in scandopanishad it is said:
"Sivaaya Vishnuroopaaya siva roopaaya vishnave
Sivasya hr'dayam Vishnu: vishnoscha hr'dayam sivaha
Yadhsivamayo vishnurevam vishnumaya sivaha" (Krishna Yajurvediya Scandopanishat)
Those Brahmanas who stay as "Brahmajnaanaiva iti brahmana" they will not have any discrimination.
"I am happy, there still persons interested in the Supreme Search"
Sir, it is possible if strong determination and seriousness and sincerely is there, believe me.
"As far Sri Nitai Das Prubhu's statement & comments on Mantras, it is totally different" They are limited people who is only tuned for that consciousness only. For them it is good, but they can not interact or mingle with others, that is the limitation. Once one comes out of all limitation, then he becomes HE. Anybody interested can start such procedure of being HE, at least he can become in his next birth which will be tailor-made to grow him more to reach HIM. There is nothing wrong at all for trying rather than backing out thinking that it is not practical for we people.
"Lord Krishna Himself states, that He is bound by the Vedas and its principles." In fact one of the purposes of Lord Krishna's life in the earth is to educate people, the teachings of Vedas to those who can not understand it in an understanding way.
All the Avatars are people only not Gods, but filled with God power. They are attractive or the way common man like to look at and so it would be easy to concentrate for long time. As you know when the ordinary 30 degree sunlight is passed thru a magnifying glass, the paper kept at the focal point will burn. This is focusing of light energy. Similarly when mind energy is focused the accumulated power will have all these siddhi powers. In order to enable people to concentrate some attraction must be there. So people attracted to Krishna is basically looking HIM (the antharyami) thru him, without their knowledge even. As you know that is the Hindu system to facilitate everybody to reach HIM..
"conclude on the subject Prabti Siddhi" You may do one thing if possible. In your web page someone asked this question for which Nitai replied to him to give such mantra/yantra. If you have his contact, can check with him whether he got it from him.
"should I add the source - i.e. your Email address as it would authenticate the communications? " No problem, but please let me know when you publish it by providing me a copy.
With regards and Love,
In my response to Dr. Narayanan, clarifying the facts about the Name confusion, I sent out the following mail:
Sri Nitai Das Prabhu and Nitai-ARd are the one and same person. He is in Amsterdam and currently stationed there. But Sri Janavi Nitai Das is altogether a different person, from Bhaktivedanta Ashram, Los Angeles, CA, United States of America; If this person - Sri Jhavani Nitai Das has promised you about the Prapti Siddhi.... then sure Nitai-ARD is no party to it to blame! (though both share the same name, they are certainly two different persons, stay at different locations.)
What I strongly feel is, Sri Sri Nitai Ard might not have assured you of the Siddhi techniques! He never considers even Yoga as an accepted medium to reach the ultimate goal - mental happiness or the Siddhi.
Warm regards and with due Pranams,
April 13, 2006
And as of now, the communication rest with above mail and without find the real zeal or way to get the Prapti Siddhi, we keep our fingers crossed, until some one comes with a fresh info on these..... and meanwhile, if any of you come across answer for above, kindly let me know with details. Thanks,
April 15, 2006
After putting this Email exchanges, I did request Sri Nitai Das Prabhu (of Amsterdam) to visit these pages to check once for the correctness of mail exchanges. He pointed out an omission in my work and also added his comment to the subject "Prapti Siddhi". Following text I got from Sri Nitai Ard Prabhu:
Krishna Iyengar Ji